WEBVTT 1 00:01:00.127 --> 00:01:05.127 (rain pattering) (wind rushing) 2 00:01:07.658 --> 00:01:09.495 (wooden thump) 3 00:01:09.495 --> 00:01:11.740 (gentle music) 4 00:01:11.740 --> 00:01:14.359 It's best I don't come out here at night and drink wine 5 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:19.160 and then come back the next day and say, what have I done? 6 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.100 But this is the part I really enjoy, 7 00:01:23.100 --> 00:01:26.673 it's just I don't think too much, just like play around. 8 00:01:28.900 --> 00:01:33.300 Thinking back to when I was young and trying to establish 9 00:01:33.300 --> 00:01:35.645 when I decided I would become an artist 10 00:01:35.645 --> 00:01:38.926 line:15% is probably different to when I thought about 11 00:01:38.926 --> 00:01:40.850 wanting to become an artist. 12 00:01:40.850 --> 00:01:42.793 So, I always wanted to become an artist 13 00:01:42.793 --> 00:01:44.803 I just didn't think it was possible. 14 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.470 I grew up not having much 15 00:01:48.470 --> 00:01:49.990 and all I wanted to do is make some money 16 00:01:49.990 --> 00:01:51.720 and get out of where I was. 17 00:01:51.720 --> 00:01:54.580 I opened up a dry cleaners for some reason 18 00:01:54.580 --> 00:01:56.540 and I thought that would be a business. 19 00:01:56.540 --> 00:01:57.530 It was terrible. 20 00:01:57.530 --> 00:01:59.459 But while I was in that shop I was drawing every day 21 00:01:59.459 --> 00:02:01.688 and people would come in and see my drawings 22 00:02:01.688 --> 00:02:04.040 and say, why aren't you an artist? 23 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:04.873 And I started to get 24 00:02:04.873 --> 00:02:06.842 a few little commissions from customers, 25 00:02:06.842 --> 00:02:10.350 which ended up making more money than the dry cleaners. 26 00:02:10.350 --> 00:02:11.480 Eventually I realised 27 00:02:11.480 --> 00:02:14.350 I wasn't great at doing a whole lot of other things 28 00:02:14.350 --> 00:02:18.760 and it, even though it was the life of destined poverty, 29 00:02:19.665 --> 00:02:22.948 I thought it was still my best chance to be successful. 30 00:02:22.948 --> 00:02:27.948 (rain pattering) (gentle piano music) 31 00:02:28.125 --> 00:02:31.026 You know, I'm highly dyslexic and struggle reading 32 00:02:31.026 --> 00:02:35.217 and left school very young and my way of learning 33 00:02:35.217 --> 00:02:38.800 was to directly interact with people. 34 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.010 And when you get to know people you learn so much from them 35 00:02:42.010 --> 00:02:43.990 and if I was a journalist it would be interviewing them 36 00:02:43.990 --> 00:02:46.509 and I'd be learning but, for me, it's painting a portrait. 37 00:02:46.509 --> 00:02:49.092 (gentle music) 38 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:51.790 It's a tricky thing 39 00:02:51.790 --> 00:02:55.120 because some people may have very interesting faces 40 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.600 and they might not be interesting 41 00:02:56.600 --> 00:02:59.910 and someone might be very interesting and their face isn't. 42 00:02:59.910 --> 00:03:01.265 So, I think you have to look 43 00:03:01.265 --> 00:03:05.612 beyond the physical interesting aspects of a face 44 00:03:05.612 --> 00:03:10.050 and try and paint an essence of the person. 45 00:03:10.050 --> 00:03:13.645 I think a big part of the portrait is someone trusting you 46 00:03:13.645 --> 00:03:16.580 and, if they trust you and you do the right thing, 47 00:03:16.580 --> 00:03:17.450 people open up 48 00:03:17.450 --> 00:03:21.340 and there's moments where someone speaks about their life 49 00:03:21.340 --> 00:03:23.350 and what they're passionate about, could be their children, 50 00:03:23.350 --> 00:03:26.140 or their partner, or an experience they've had. 51 00:03:26.140 --> 00:03:27.972 And there's a look in their eyes 52 00:03:27.972 --> 00:03:31.940 and their mouth might move in a certain way 53 00:03:31.940 --> 00:03:33.710 or they look across, it's something, 54 00:03:33.710 --> 00:03:38.242 you know when it's hitting them emotionally, they do this 55 00:03:38.242 --> 00:03:40.010 and it's that kind of moment, 56 00:03:40.010 --> 00:03:42.363 that's the image I want to paint. 57 00:03:44.625 --> 00:03:46.120 (uplifting music) 58 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.590 Every time I do a painting, everything changes. 59 00:03:48.590 --> 00:03:50.380 So my palette changes, 60 00:03:50.380 --> 00:03:53.102 I don't have any rules about how it's constructed 61 00:03:53.102 --> 00:03:56.325 or how I have someone sit for a portrait 62 00:03:56.325 --> 00:03:58.810 and I probably wouldn't be able to remember them 63 00:03:58.810 --> 00:04:00.170 with my dyslexia, anyway. 64 00:04:00.170 --> 00:04:03.330 Every time I paint, it's a new way of painting 65 00:04:03.330 --> 00:04:08.230 and I think it's the same way with my work ethic. 66 00:04:08.230 --> 00:04:09.310 I've never really had, 67 00:04:09.310 --> 00:04:12.469 you know, people get a painter's block 68 00:04:12.469 --> 00:04:14.283 or that kind of thing. 69 00:04:14.283 --> 00:04:18.210 I have so many ideas and so much I want to do, 70 00:04:18.210 --> 00:04:21.280 the only thing stopping me is the hours in a day 71 00:04:21.280 --> 00:04:23.750 where I want to hang out with my family, 72 00:04:23.750 --> 00:04:24.934 drop the kids off at school. 73 00:04:24.934 --> 00:04:27.950 Any other part of my day, if I can, 74 00:04:27.950 --> 00:04:32.826 I'd be in front of the painting and the days just fly away. 75 00:04:32.826 --> 00:04:34.915 There's nothing I'd want to do more. 76 00:04:34.915 --> 00:04:37.498 (gentle music) 77 00:04:39.230 --> 00:04:42.080 There's certain portraits that really stand out 78 00:04:42.080 --> 00:04:43.930 because they changed my life. 79 00:04:43.930 --> 00:04:46.830 Obviously, the portrait of Heath Ledger. 80 00:04:46.830 --> 00:04:48.370 He already meant a lot 81 00:04:48.370 --> 00:04:50.307 and he was someone that I looked up to. 82 00:04:50.307 --> 00:04:54.640 I learned so much about painting a portrait 83 00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:58.890 by just observing him, there was no direction necessary. 84 00:04:58.890 --> 00:05:02.680 We had a conversation, or a few conversations 85 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.570 and a real thought collaboration and then I just stood back 86 00:05:06.570 --> 00:05:09.710 and watched him perform and every time I think about it, 87 00:05:09.710 --> 00:05:11.124 it gives me goosebumps. 88 00:05:11.124 --> 00:05:14.330 He could explode and then he'll go quiet 89 00:05:14.330 --> 00:05:16.608 and the quietness is so loud 90 00:05:16.608 --> 00:05:20.030 and it's so hard to capture in a image, 91 00:05:20.030 --> 00:05:21.760 so I did my best with that 92 00:05:21.760 --> 00:05:24.440 and it turned out to be quite timely. 93 00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:26.980 And now the painting means even more to me 94 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:29.122 and it means a lot to his family as well 95 00:05:29.122 --> 00:05:32.440 and I think it would have meant a lot to him. 96 00:05:32.440 --> 00:05:33.870 The last thing he ever said to me is, 97 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:35.870 this painting is going to change our lives 98 00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:36.754 and it really did. 99 00:05:36.754 --> 00:05:39.337 (gentle music) 100 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:45.360 I try to go into meeting someone with an open mind. 101 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.697 A lot of people I paint are already my friends, 102 00:05:47.697 --> 00:05:52.472 but, for example, Julia Gillard, I'm not into politics, 103 00:05:52.472 --> 00:05:55.513 I didn't even know what party she was with, I had no idea 104 00:05:55.513 --> 00:05:58.950 and I thought, okay, I'm painting a politician 105 00:05:58.950 --> 00:06:01.490 and everyone says politicians are boring. 106 00:06:01.490 --> 00:06:03.440 It turns out Julia was incredible 107 00:06:03.440 --> 00:06:08.440 and she's very smart and witty, and so open. 108 00:06:08.744 --> 00:06:11.220 If I had friends, or my brother, 109 00:06:11.220 --> 00:06:13.450 or someone coming to the studio, she was so engaged 110 00:06:13.450 --> 00:06:16.226 and I just thought what a special person I've met. 111 00:06:16.226 --> 00:06:18.809 (gentle music) 112 00:06:23.450 --> 00:06:26.920 I'm really, genuinely interested in learning 113 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.236 from anyone I can 114 00:06:28.236 --> 00:06:32.027 and I think if you have a passion for people 115 00:06:32.027 --> 00:06:36.070 and you really want to get to know them with an open mind 116 00:06:36.070 --> 00:06:38.260 and without judgement . 117 00:06:38.260 --> 00:06:40.670 I like people to know that a great portrait 118 00:06:40.670 --> 00:06:42.713 isn't an accurate portrait. 119 00:06:42.713 --> 00:06:45.380 Speaking of portraits and connecting 120 00:06:45.380 --> 00:06:50.250 and that experience it says a lot 121 00:06:50.250 --> 00:06:55.163 that that's how I met my wife and a lot of my close friends, 122 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:58.763 people that I painted. 123 00:07:02.548 --> 00:07:06.070 I do lots of transparent layers over and over again, 124 00:07:06.070 --> 00:07:07.880 push that back, push that around 125 00:07:09.400 --> 00:07:12.130 and I also went a bit hard on some of the lines 126 00:07:12.130 --> 00:07:15.510 so that it looks a bit graphic looking. 127 00:07:15.510 --> 00:07:18.253 It's even just a tiny bit of white, 128 00:07:20.060 --> 00:07:24.480 suffering back that harsh, these harsh lines. 129 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.039 So, with my portrait of Hugh Jackman, 130 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:29.810 we actually share a lot of mutual friends, 131 00:07:29.810 --> 00:07:30.890 friends that have worked together 132 00:07:30.890 --> 00:07:33.099 and friends that I'm very close with. 133 00:07:33.099 --> 00:07:38.099 And I remember Baz Luhrmann, who's a mate, 134 00:07:38.110 --> 00:07:39.800 saying, you have to meet Hugh, 135 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.640 I know you'll get along with him and a few other people 136 00:07:42.640 --> 00:07:45.870 said the same thing, but you never know. 137 00:07:45.870 --> 00:07:47.576 It's like going on a blind date with someone 138 00:07:47.576 --> 00:07:51.890 and you meet up with them and someone got it right 139 00:07:51.890 --> 00:07:53.900 you actually have a real great connection. 140 00:07:53.900 --> 00:07:56.983 (joyous piano music) 141 00:07:58.200 --> 00:08:01.331 I got a call from the National Portrait Gallery 142 00:08:01.331 --> 00:08:05.743 and I actually, I just thought why are they calling me? 143 00:08:05.743 --> 00:08:08.350 And it was to do a commission. 144 00:08:08.350 --> 00:08:12.107 And to me, photography is a big part of the portrait 145 00:08:12.107 --> 00:08:15.640 and I normally film people and photograph them 146 00:08:15.640 --> 00:08:18.870 and work, base my portrait, 147 00:08:18.870 --> 00:08:21.560 just base the portrait on all my images and film, 148 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:23.660 so I can see that, those moments. 149 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:28.660 Hugh's son is very into art and quite creative 150 00:08:29.321 --> 00:08:32.571 and he wanted to bring his son along for the photo shoot 151 00:08:32.571 --> 00:08:34.890 so I had a plan up my sleeve 152 00:08:34.890 --> 00:08:38.317 that I was going to ask his son, during the photo shoot, 153 00:08:38.317 --> 00:08:43.317 to talk to his dad and pull the trigger on the camera. 154 00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:45.909 Another friend of mine, Michael Gracey, 155 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:49.880 an Australian film director who's very close with Hugh. 156 00:08:49.880 --> 00:08:51.168 Michael and I had this idea 157 00:08:51.168 --> 00:08:56.168 of doing a kind of interactive portrait with holograms 158 00:08:56.180 --> 00:08:59.260 and told Hugh about it and he loved the idea 159 00:08:59.260 --> 00:09:02.553 and we spent most of our meetings discussing these big ideas 160 00:09:02.553 --> 00:09:05.040 about holograms, and paintings, and moving image, 161 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:06.680 and music, and dance. 162 00:09:06.680 --> 00:09:11.680 And then it's kind of what's happening now in the world, 163 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:15.430 you just never know what's going to happen next 164 00:09:15.430 --> 00:09:16.420 and that's what happened. 165 00:09:16.420 --> 00:09:19.110 The virus hit so all these plans we had 166 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:20.598 to do these big projects, 167 00:09:20.598 --> 00:09:23.160 and the reason I wasn't taking photos all the time, 168 00:09:23.160 --> 00:09:25.660 is because it was getting bigger and bigger. 169 00:09:25.660 --> 00:09:26.890 And then Hugh called me up 170 00:09:26.890 --> 00:09:29.913 the night before he was coming to do photographs at my house 171 00:09:29.913 --> 00:09:33.092 and said, if I don't jump on a plane tonight 172 00:09:33.092 --> 00:09:35.660 then I'm going to get shut out of the U S 173 00:09:35.660 --> 00:09:36.930 and his family was there. 174 00:09:36.930 --> 00:09:39.057 So, he had to jump on a plane and I was like, 175 00:09:39.057 --> 00:09:41.610 are you sure you can't just come now for it 176 00:09:41.610 --> 00:09:42.609 and he's like, no, I can't. 177 00:09:42.609 --> 00:09:47.423 So, we had to go to plan B which I think is, 178 00:09:48.370 --> 00:09:50.163 I think it's worked out. 179 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.105 I let them settle back in the U S 180 00:09:55.105 --> 00:09:58.970 and then I made a video for Deb, Hugh's wife, 181 00:09:58.970 --> 00:10:01.220 on how to shoot the portrait. 182 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:03.520 I'm walking around my house, 183 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:05.550 talking about my portraits that I've done, 184 00:10:05.550 --> 00:10:08.663 telling them how easy it is and what I want them to do. 185 00:10:09.669 --> 00:10:12.773 I think you think one thing, 186 00:10:14.631 --> 00:10:17.590 and it's nothing wrong with what they did, 187 00:10:17.590 --> 00:10:19.250 it's just a translation thing. 188 00:10:19.250 --> 00:10:21.090 Like you say something and someone gets it, 189 00:10:21.090 --> 00:10:21.923 but what they're getting 190 00:10:21.923 --> 00:10:23.750 is different to what you're thinking. 191 00:10:23.750 --> 00:10:26.896 And Hugh sent this funny video 192 00:10:26.896 --> 00:10:31.682 where he had a dumpling basket on his head 193 00:10:31.682 --> 00:10:34.140 and, 'cause I said just relax, do whatever you want, 194 00:10:34.140 --> 00:10:36.520 make it funny, so he had this dumpling basket on his head 195 00:10:36.520 --> 00:10:38.190 and he's trying to balance it 196 00:10:38.190 --> 00:10:39.700 and then he just bursts out laughing. 197 00:10:39.700 --> 00:10:43.020 And that was shot on a phone so it was low res 198 00:10:43.020 --> 00:10:45.830 and here I am wanting to do this big portrait 199 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:47.411 for the National Portrait Gallery. 200 00:10:47.411 --> 00:10:50.361 I want these high res images 201 00:10:50.361 --> 00:10:53.320 and Hugh's got a dumping basket on his head. 202 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.887 So I had to just laugh my head off myself 203 00:10:55.887 --> 00:10:58.253 but I thought how am I going to use this? 204 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:00.700 I went back and said, oh, that's great 205 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:04.423 but can you send some clear images through as well? 206 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.810 There's also so much happening in New York, 207 00:11:07.810 --> 00:11:11.140 this is when the virus was hitting New York 208 00:11:11.140 --> 00:11:13.240 and, you know, so many important things 209 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.080 like the Black Lives Matters 210 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.270 and Hugh's very socially engaged 211 00:11:18.270 --> 00:11:19.920 and everything matters to him 212 00:11:19.920 --> 00:11:23.710 and, so Hugh's obviously absorbed with what's going on 213 00:11:23.710 --> 00:11:27.750 and here I am saying take off the dumping basket 214 00:11:27.750 --> 00:11:29.221 and send me some more pictures. 215 00:11:29.221 --> 00:11:31.986 Anyway, they did send more pictures 216 00:11:31.986 --> 00:11:35.560 and Deb, obviously, took them. 217 00:11:35.560 --> 00:11:38.030 Recently I did a photo shoot of Asher 218 00:11:39.630 --> 00:11:42.088 during the COVID lockdown time 219 00:11:42.088 --> 00:11:46.094 for the cover of Marie Claire and we did a few photos inside 220 00:11:46.094 --> 00:11:48.840 and they said, oh, you know, you've done such a great job 221 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.360 and I was like, yeah, you weren't there for the shoot. 222 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.890 Like, you know, you have really heightened, amazing moments 223 00:11:54.890 --> 00:11:57.820 and you have intimate moments, and then you have moments 224 00:11:57.820 --> 00:12:01.803 where your wife's saying, you done? 225 00:12:03.180 --> 00:12:05.490 I saw those moments in their photographs as well, 226 00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:07.880 so I saw the laughing shot, the intimate shot, 227 00:12:07.880 --> 00:12:11.023 the love shot, and the, are we done yet shot. 228 00:12:12.490 --> 00:12:14.560 So, I think I understood it quite well 229 00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:18.479 and I chose the one that I thought I understood 230 00:12:18.479 --> 00:12:21.703 from working with my own partner. 231 00:12:23.910 --> 00:12:27.244 The painting's quite different to the photograph 232 00:12:27.244 --> 00:12:29.110 because I made it black and white 233 00:12:29.110 --> 00:12:32.740 and added my own touch to it. 234 00:12:32.740 --> 00:12:36.860 But there's a look in Hugh's eyes and there's a relaxed, 235 00:12:36.860 --> 00:12:40.130 you know, he's touching his face and his neck 236 00:12:40.130 --> 00:12:42.820 but it's not one of those, in front of the camera 237 00:12:42.820 --> 00:12:45.977 it's more of a moment in a conversation 238 00:12:45.977 --> 00:12:48.456 and you can tell it's a conversation 239 00:12:48.456 --> 00:12:50.820 with someone that he knows and trust. 240 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:53.280 It's not a GQ photo shoot, 241 00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:55.508 which is probably great images as well, 242 00:12:55.508 --> 00:12:57.160 but I didn't want that, 243 00:12:57.160 --> 00:12:59.463 I wanted that intimacy we spoke about. 244 00:13:00.780 --> 00:13:04.401 So, I think there's a love and intimacy 245 00:13:04.401 --> 00:13:07.050 that I think I've got. 246 00:13:07.050 --> 00:13:08.858 The side of Hugh that's not "The Showman" 247 00:13:08.858 --> 00:13:12.193 it's not "Wolverine" it's something more personable. 248 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.300 Being asked to have a portrait 249 00:13:16.300 --> 00:13:18.100 in the National Portrait Gallery 250 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:19.870 is bigger than winning any art prize. 251 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:21.320 It's bigger than an Archibald Prize, 252 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:22.571 it's bigger than a Doug Moran, 253 00:13:22.571 --> 00:13:24.680 more important than any of the money 254 00:13:24.680 --> 00:13:28.470 or what they could pay me to paint a portrait. 255 00:13:28.470 --> 00:13:32.240 I'm just, it's like my dream come true. 256 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.083 I think as a portrait artist 257 00:13:34.083 --> 00:13:37.120 it doesn't get any more important to me. 258 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.090 There's so many incredible works 259 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:42.173 in the National Portrait Gallery, I don't know how, 260 00:13:43.800 --> 00:13:45.517 I think it would be arrogant to say 261 00:13:45.517 --> 00:13:48.680 mine's going to stand out amongst all the incredible works 262 00:13:50.750 --> 00:13:54.780 but, hopefully, there's some young artists like myself 263 00:13:54.780 --> 00:13:57.110 and they'll know my story and they'll know Hugh's 264 00:13:57.110 --> 00:14:00.140 and it'll make them dream and think big 265 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:01.462 that they can do the same thing 266 00:14:01.462 --> 00:14:04.062 because technique's not important. 267 00:14:04.062 --> 00:14:06.220 The finish is not important, 268 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:07.840 it's a connection with the person 269 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.740 so, hopefully, I can translate that a little to people. 270 00:14:11.740 --> 00:14:12.970 I feel like I get to a point 271 00:14:12.970 --> 00:14:15.970 and the painting starts to go backwards 272 00:14:17.565 --> 00:14:20.290 and then I realise I should stop. 273 00:14:20.290 --> 00:14:22.800 As soon as I've got enough, I try and walk away from it 274 00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:25.960 because I think it's easy, again, 275 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.540 to overdo a painting as well. 276 00:14:28.540 --> 00:14:30.560 And it's hard when it's your own work. 277 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:32.520 Sometimes I look at other people's paintings... 278 00:14:32.520 --> 00:14:34.535 You know I struggled with dyslexia 279 00:14:34.535 --> 00:14:38.780 but now I know dyslexia is actually my greatest gift 280 00:14:38.780 --> 00:14:40.660 so, if I didn't have dyslexia, 281 00:14:40.660 --> 00:14:45.660 I wouldn't have the same creative mind I might have, 282 00:14:45.750 --> 00:14:47.990 or I might've been better at something else 283 00:14:47.990 --> 00:14:49.250 and not become an artist. 284 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:52.040 So I think, if you have a learning disability, 285 00:14:52.040 --> 00:14:56.130 if you have dyslexia, if you have a disability in general 286 00:14:56.130 --> 00:14:59.970 or just a challenge in life, all these life experiences, 287 00:14:59.970 --> 00:15:02.430 I think, you can turn around 288 00:15:02.430 --> 00:15:06.240 and use them to make yourself a great artist. 289 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:10.176 Dyslexics in particular, I think, most that I know 290 00:15:10.176 --> 00:15:15.176 have great problem solving skills, creative, 291 00:15:15.525 --> 00:15:19.143 real empathy and understanding of people. 292 00:15:20.350 --> 00:15:22.770 It's just about finding your confidence 293 00:15:22.770 --> 00:15:25.450 and also knowing that any art you make, 294 00:15:25.450 --> 00:15:28.370 there's no wrong art-making. 295 00:15:28.370 --> 00:15:30.746 I think Baz Luhrmann said to me, once, 296 00:15:30.746 --> 00:15:32.730 don't paint for the audience 297 00:15:32.730 --> 00:15:34.720 make your artwork that you believe in 298 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:36.210 and it will find its audience 299 00:15:36.210 --> 00:15:38.130 and I've always thought about that when I paint. 300 00:15:38.130 --> 00:15:41.560 I'm not painting to sell a painting or to please someone, 301 00:15:41.560 --> 00:15:43.460 I'm painting my truth 302 00:15:43.460 --> 00:15:45.730 and hopefully there's a whole lot of people 303 00:15:45.730 --> 00:15:46.690 that can connect to that. 304 00:15:46.690 --> 00:15:50.380 So, just stay true and believe in yourself, 305 00:15:50.380 --> 00:15:53.098 paint what you love or, not necessarily paint, 306 00:15:53.098 --> 00:15:55.010 do whatever you like to make art. 307 00:15:55.010 --> 00:15:59.410 Collage, trace, paint, you know, use your hands, 308 00:15:59.410 --> 00:16:01.063 use your feet, there's no rules. 309 00:16:01.920 --> 00:16:05.020 Eventually I'll puff paint and stuff. 310 00:16:05.020 --> 00:16:07.380 That's why kids get put off becoming artists 311 00:16:07.380 --> 00:16:09.331 because they feel like 312 00:16:09.331 --> 00:16:14.331 they're not able to paint something accurately. 313 00:16:14.780 --> 00:16:17.025 It's like my 10 year old son says, 314 00:16:17.025 --> 00:16:19.240 oh dad, I'm no good at art, I can't paint like you. 315 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:20.730 And I'm like, I wish I could, 316 00:16:20.730 --> 00:16:22.220 I'm going to spend the rest of my life 317 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:25.365 trying to go back to painting like you. 318 00:16:25.365 --> 00:16:29.197 I don't think I'll always paint realist paintings 319 00:16:29.197 --> 00:16:33.250 and I'm trying to reverse, slowly reverse backwards. 320 00:16:33.250 --> 00:16:34.780 Even a painting of Hugh, 321 00:16:34.780 --> 00:16:36.823 to most people it does look very detailed, 322 00:16:36.823 --> 00:16:40.070 but I could paint every little pore in his face 323 00:16:40.070 --> 00:16:42.623 and have it look exactly like a photograph 324 00:16:42.623 --> 00:16:45.940 but I think the illusion, the expression, 325 00:16:45.940 --> 00:16:48.766 the experimentation, all of those things 326 00:16:48.766 --> 00:16:53.766 make the painting more truthful and interesting 327 00:16:53.925 --> 00:16:55.807 and it becomes personal. 328 00:16:55.807 --> 00:16:59.140 (gentle music building) 329 00:17:01.017 --> 00:17:05.540 You know, I want people to walk in, see the portrait of Hugh 330 00:17:05.540 --> 00:17:07.697 and feel a real connection. 331 00:17:07.697 --> 00:17:10.447 (rain whooshing)