WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.614 --> 00:00:04.031 (soft music) 2 00:00:07.990 --> 00:00:12.180 Australia and Indonesia are close to each other. 3 00:00:12.180 --> 00:00:15.140 And that's why they are called 'Head from the North' 4 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:18.320 in my imagination about the relationship 5 00:00:19.210 --> 00:00:23.510 because north is Indonesian, 6 00:00:23.510 --> 00:00:25.200 or north is Asia 7 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:29.360 Yeah, the head is very significant for me 8 00:00:29.360 --> 00:00:31.950 until now I still make a head 9 00:00:31.950 --> 00:00:35.640 because a head is representation about the number. 10 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.560 The number in the genocide, 11 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:42.640 a lot of my work inspiration 12 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:43.800 with what happened 13 00:00:43.800 --> 00:00:48.800 in 1965 and '66 and then after, after that, too, 14 00:00:49.890 --> 00:00:53.110 that's the crucial time in Indonesia, 15 00:00:53.110 --> 00:00:57.593 we call genocide, Indonesia genocide. 16 00:01:00.180 --> 00:01:03.590 For me, like this work on the pond, this one 17 00:01:04.430 --> 00:01:09.430 is very personal, because I lost my father in that time. 18 00:01:14.493 --> 00:01:18.610 For me, the beach is significant 19 00:01:18.610 --> 00:01:20.890 in the '65, '66 20 00:01:21.790 --> 00:01:24.410 is a graveyard, 21 00:01:24.410 --> 00:01:26.540 when the military killed the people 22 00:01:26.540 --> 00:01:29.003 they buried in the beach. 23 00:01:33.270 --> 00:01:37.550 In the beach, they have by rivers 24 00:01:37.550 --> 00:01:41.650 and some of the dead body they put on the river 25 00:01:41.650 --> 00:01:43.673 and then flow to the beach. 26 00:01:44.520 --> 00:01:49.363 When the tide on a lot of the dead body there. 27 00:01:52.190 --> 00:01:57.030 I met with the executioner and I interview him. 28 00:01:57.030 --> 00:02:00.743 He said yes, on the beach. We executed. 29 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.070 Sometime when they came to the beach 30 00:02:04.070 --> 00:02:06.240 in the morning that day, 31 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:10.002 they follow, they see they see the hand 32 00:02:10.002 --> 00:02:14.210 or something like that buried on the sand. 33 00:02:14.210 --> 00:02:15.540 I think that's very 34 00:02:18.010 --> 00:02:19.163 horrible story. 35 00:02:20.530 --> 00:02:21.460 You can imagine 36 00:02:22.477 --> 00:02:24.203 a million people 37 00:02:30.020 --> 00:02:34.380 Hari Ho came to Darwin where I was, lived there 38 00:02:34.380 --> 00:02:39.380 in Darwin and then my house is close in Casuarina beach 39 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:43.080 in that time and then Hari Ho 40 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:47.300 in the evening arrive and ask to me discuss 41 00:02:47.300 --> 00:02:50.600 and what you want your idea 42 00:02:50.600 --> 00:02:52.653 to make a photo. 43 00:02:54.110 --> 00:02:59.057 And then I said on the beach! We very enthusiastic 44 00:03:00.092 --> 00:03:02.110 Okay we let, let me take a photo 45 00:03:02.110 --> 00:03:04.046 in the morning early morning before 46 00:03:04.046 --> 00:03:08.363 sunrise just me and Hari Ho. 47 00:03:09.430 --> 00:03:12.630 We went to the beach, bring the shovel 48 00:03:12.630 --> 00:03:16.587 and the basket for the water and then we make like 49 00:03:18.640 --> 00:03:23.580 enough for my sitting and then put Hari Ho 50 00:03:26.590 --> 00:03:28.490 buried me with the sand. 51 00:03:28.490 --> 00:03:29.323 After that, 52 00:03:30.640 --> 00:03:31.810 some basket water 53 00:03:31.810 --> 00:03:35.540 to put in my body 54 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.630 and then what's happened 55 00:03:38.540 --> 00:03:39.373 is just like 56 00:03:39.373 --> 00:03:41.710 a concrete that sand when the water 57 00:03:42.690 --> 00:03:44.120 and I couldn't breath 58 00:03:45.370 --> 00:03:47.789 stuck, really stuck like a concrete 59 00:03:47.789 --> 00:03:51.350 and (groans), I can't breathe 60 00:03:52.489 --> 00:03:54.770 but because my chest I can't 61 00:03:56.060 --> 00:03:58.770 what's say like (laughs) 62 00:03:58.770 --> 00:04:00.140 yeah and Hari Ho 63 00:04:00.140 --> 00:04:02.290 'Hari Ho can you take a quickly 64 00:04:02.290 --> 00:04:04.624 because what's happened, I'm very scary 65 00:04:04.624 --> 00:04:07.950 and you know we just only us 66 00:04:07.950 --> 00:04:11.560 and then what's happened if the wave come?' (laughs) 67 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.120 anyone here and on the beach and Hari Ho 68 00:04:16.070 --> 00:04:18.800 but yes is why I like it that photo 69 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.580 behind the story of what's happened, the process. 70 00:04:25.200 --> 00:04:26.750 He captured that expression, 71 00:04:28.310 --> 00:04:33.310 you look scared but also very tense and very focussed 72 00:04:33.610 --> 00:04:36.710 Yes, scared about death too 73 00:04:36.710 --> 00:04:38.950 if I scared also 74 00:04:38.950 --> 00:04:41.470 like my expression is like 75 00:04:44.790 --> 00:04:48.460 get angry what's happened 76 00:04:48.460 --> 00:04:50.473 in '65, '66. 77 00:04:51.728 --> 00:04:54.311 (waves crashing)