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<v ->I wanted to do their love story justice too,</v>

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you know.

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How, how do you capture that and sum it up in a picture?

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But I wanted to, to pic Jimmy in a way that, you know

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we're not often used to seeing him.

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I wouldn't say submissive is the word, but he's, looks,

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at peace and very calm and,

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<v ->Yeah.</v>
<v ->and gentle,</v>

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you know, his eyes are closed.

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He's being embraced.

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Well, he's embracing Jane.

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They're almost like a, a ying and yang.

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And I feel like that's what my auntie is to, to my uncle's.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>
<v ->You know,</v>

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she balances his energy out.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->Because we're used to seeing pictures of him</v>

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and he is a tough guy

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and he does scream on stage.

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<v ->But that's not,</v>
<v Jimmy>(laughing)</v>

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who I know.
<v ->That's what I do.</v>

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That's what I do there.
<v ->(laughing)</v>

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<v ->But, you know, I'm not, not like that at home.</v>

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I'm, you know,
<v ->No.</v>

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<v ->I'm different at home.</v>

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Because we're close, we, you know,

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but we'd spoke about the actual doing the photograph

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and what we wanted to achieve with it as well,

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didn't we?
<v Jesse>Yeah.</v>

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<v ->It was sort of,</v>

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you know, Jane had a lot of, a lot of input.

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<v ->Oh, well, the idea was Elizabeth's poem.</v>

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We had a beautiful French friend

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who wrote a, a love story.

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(speaking French)
<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->Of, of us, how she saw our love</v>

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and she put together this little book

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of Marc Chagall, Marc Chagall and Bella.

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It really sort of spoke something about our relationship.

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<v Jesse>Yeah.</v>
<v ->But then, you came up</v>

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with the idea of Uncle Jimmy's Roses.

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<v ->We have a beautiful garden at home.</v>

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And the rose patch particularly, that's the only one

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I can look, sort of look after, because I'm not

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not that great a gardener.

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But friends would give us, give me roses,

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instead of,
<v ->Yeah, for your 60.</v>

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<v ->we don't want gifts.</v>

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<v ->What happened was, everybody brought rose.</v>

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<v ->Yeah. For me, for as, as a-</v>

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<v ->So we created this,</v>

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<v ->Rose garden,</v>
<v ->amazing rose garden.</v>

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<v ->They grow so well.</v>

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I, I don't do that much, but I would go down and

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and pick roses for, for Jane all through lockdown.

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And every day I'd,

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I'd pick a new bunch and say, look at this.

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Isn't this great?
<v ->(laughing)</v>

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<v ->You know, and this smell beautiful, like these,</v>

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like these are from the garden.

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And the whole metaphor of the roses and you know,

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things, you know, love's not always, you know,

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easy,
<v ->a bed of roses.</v>

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<v ->It's not always a bed of roses.</v>

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It's not always easy,
<v ->Sort of thorns.</v>

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<v ->And it takes work.</v>

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<v ->Yeah.</v>
<v ->And there's thorns.</v>

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It's not always gonna, it's not always gonna be great.

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But the, but it's about living through that and,

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and sharing those experiences.

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<v Jane>There's many layers too.</v>

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<v Jesse>Mm.</v>
<v Jimmy>Yeah.</v>

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And all the symbols in that. Just in the roses,

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coming from our garden.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>
<v ->And you know,</v>

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Jesse being involved, like you said,

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just the family capturing, and he knows us, you know

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and he's known us all his life and through,

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he knows our warts and all, you know

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and we're individuals there too.

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And that's just, all these messages are important.

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<v ->Mm hmm.</v>

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<v ->You know, the bed of roses, the, the</v>

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you've got to fight those thorns.

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All of that.
<v ->Mm.</v>

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<v Jesse>For me, it started quite young, photography.</v>

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I was like eight or nine years old.

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A family friend of ours, Wendy McDougall,

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she put a camera in my hand and,

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and I just thought it was magic.

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You know, as a kid, eight or nine years old,

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we'd go out and I'd take pictures

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and then she'd develop them in the dark room.

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And I just thought it was the coolest thing ever, you know

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to be able to freeze moments in time.

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And, and, and so she had a huge influence on me for sure.

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You know, but,

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also just my father and, and my uncle.

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Their work ethic, you know, and just their prolific output

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you know, that has been a huge impact on me.

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And, and seeing, seeing their dedication

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to their craft and just how relentless they are with that,

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I think.

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<v ->I think music and, and photography and music and art, and</v>

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and the, the all sort of expressions of the soul.

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And, and, and it even down to the fact of, you know

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like working together and make album covers

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and think some the best album covers are made

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working together within the family.

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Writing songs with, with, with Jesse's dad.

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<v ->It's a blessing, isn't it?</v>

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<v ->It's really,</v>
<v ->That you have that.</v>

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it's really incredible.
<v ->Mm.</v>

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<v ->And when you get to work</v>
<v ->Be able to work.</v>

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<v ->with people that</v>
<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->you're that close to, they, you know, there's</v>

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there's just this understanding and, and, and, and ease.

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And you know, that you

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and I think they're just all expressions of love

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and the soul, you know, and they bring people together.

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<v ->Well, they're nearly everyone</v>

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in the family's a musician or an artist.

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So I felt like I sort of rebelled

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by not,
<v ->You're an artist.</v>

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pursuing music.

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Well in the end,

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I, I,
<v ->Oh yeah.</v>

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<v ->Yeah.</v>
<v ->I suppose,</v>

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you know, I, yeah, like chose a creative path.

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But I remember going to the Portrait Gallery

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on school excursions and, and seeing the works

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hung on the walls and just thought it was

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so monumental, almost, you know, somewhat unattainable.

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I thought, wow, it'd be nice to see my pictures hung here

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but I could never see that happening, you know?

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And so I was very,

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I was very blessed to, you know,

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get the opportunity to shoot

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Jane and Jimmy, who were, you know, who very dear to me.

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And I'm very grateful for that.

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<v ->I find, like in this photo</v>

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there's something that's sort of the message

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that I tell young singers and stuff, that,

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the best singing or the best creating you'll ever do

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comes with ease.

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And it's relaxed and it's, it's in a moment

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that's not forced or stressed or,

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and I think this, this image sort of has that

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you know, it's, it's real.
<v ->Real.</v>

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<v ->But, you know, and, and if you</v>

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if you find that peace when you, like, whether you're

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on stage or in a recording studio or in, in a photo.

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If you find that peace, it becomes easy.

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The work, work becomes,

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the passion becomes the what you love.

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And it's, you know, it doesn't, it's not work anymore.

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And I think that's sort of part of what shows in that photo.

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<v ->All you need is love.</v>

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(Jane and Jimmy laughing)

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<v ->I don't know, it's a bit cheesy, but,</v>

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you know,

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love endures.

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It lasts.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>