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It's really strange to see myself portrayed like that,
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because when you have those private moments
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it's only you having that private moment to yourself.
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And even when I was sitting for Renata,
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we did it quite briefly, you know, the sitting
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and,
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I didn't realise that I,
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I was so in that moment sitting for Renata
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and what this is, in her description, is so right.
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Like there's a type of stasis that you,
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that I have to come back to,
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to keep getting renewed enthusiasm
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to do the work round domestic abuse and coercive control.
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And there's something about sitting in the bedroom
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where a lot of my work is situated really,
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like in other people's bedrooms,
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are both potent in actuality and figuratively.
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And also coming back to the room
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and the importance of the environment.
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I was thinking, well,
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subject planning for you I'll take then you.
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For many women,
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the room,
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I mean we take it for granted,
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but bedroom is the place of,
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it's our sanctuary,
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where we come for inspires.
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But for many women
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that is the most dangerous place of all.
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